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		<title>By: EVALS TEN</title>
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		<dc:creator>EVALS TEN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;è‰æ ¹ã€ç«‹å ´ã€çƒæ‰˜é‚¦&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Free Range Librarian</title>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Wikipedia&#039;s Reality Check&lt;/strong&gt;

The responses from some corners of the Wikipedia community were predictable when Larry Stanger, part of the team that developed Wikipedia, published a long article on kuro5shin arguing that &quot;anti-elitism&quot; and &quot;trolls&quot; were undermining this user-contrib...
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<p>The responses from some corners of the Wikipedia community were predictable when Larry Stanger, part of the team that developed Wikipedia, published a long article on kuro5shin arguing that &#8220;anti-elitism&#8221; and &#8220;trolls&#8221; were undermining this user-contrib&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: º£±ßµÄ±´¿Ç</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jason Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there&#039;s something you&#039;re fighting against here, and that&#039;s where the real problems are, if an &quot;alternative solution&quot; is proposed.

Wikipedia is, fundamentally, founded on anarchist/communist principles, which propose that people working as a collective will be stronger than whacko individualists locking out the people and controlling all the toys for themselves. Any divergence from these principles immediately lose the kind of people who are deeply into Wikipedia.

That is, once you start adding these barriers to entry, then come the natural concerns about elitism, the belief that &quot;they&quot; will pull the power in for &quot;themselves&quot;, and in most ways, that people will be shut out of &quot;the club&quot;. And since this openness, this very thing I claim turns the endeavor to crap, is what the whole project is &lt;i&gt;founded on&lt;/i&gt;, I just don&#039;t see reconcilliation.

As it is, my pages are actually sort of a collaboration. If you look at my &lt;a href=&quot;http://software.bbsdocumentary.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BBS Software&lt;/a&gt; page, it is the result of dozens of people mailing me software and suggestions and stories, and I implement them with attribution. But this wouldn&#039;t be acceptable by Wiki standards, nor should it.

I should mention that I&#039;ve actually spent several years doing work for an organization, using software that is, basically, a Wiki. However, there&#039;s only about 12 of us with access, and of the 12 maybe 6 are frequent contributors... And I thought this is how they all were. We just didn&#039;t get in each others&#039; way. It was quite a shock to be on Wikipedia.

So I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m helping here. I would say that Wikipedia is definitely advancing on one side: the software that allows people to work on the same bits of data without stepping on each other in more mundane hey-where-the-hell-is-my-paragraph version control issues. And guess what... that software is maintained by a very small amount of people compared to the users, who submit their changes to them.
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<p>Wikipedia is, fundamentally, founded on anarchist/communist principles, which propose that people working as a collective will be stronger than whacko individualists locking out the people and controlling all the toys for themselves. Any divergence from these principles immediately lose the kind of people who are deeply into Wikipedia.</p>
<p>That is, once you start adding these barriers to entry, then come the natural concerns about elitism, the belief that &#8220;they&#8221; will pull the power in for &#8220;themselves&#8221;, and in most ways, that people will be shut out of &#8220;the club&#8221;. And since this openness, this very thing I claim turns the endeavor to crap, is what the whole project is <i>founded on</i>, I just don&#8217;t see reconcilliation.</p>
<p>As it is, my pages are actually sort of a collaboration. If you look at my <a href="http://software.bbsdocumentary.com" rel="nofollow">BBS Software</a> page, it is the result of dozens of people mailing me software and suggestions and stories, and I implement them with attribution. But this wouldn&#8217;t be acceptable by Wiki standards, nor should it.</p>
<p>I should mention that I&#8217;ve actually spent several years doing work for an organization, using software that is, basically, a Wiki. However, there&#8217;s only about 12 of us with access, and of the 12 maybe 6 are frequent contributors&#8230; And I thought this is how they all were. We just didn&#8217;t get in each others&#8217; way. It was quite a shock to be on Wikipedia.</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m helping here. I would say that Wikipedia is definitely advancing on one side: the software that allows people to work on the same bits of data without stepping on each other in more mundane hey-where-the-hell-is-my-paragraph version control issues. And guess what&#8230; that software is maintained by a very small amount of people compared to the users, who submit their changes to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Wibble</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/808/comment-page-1#comment-2839</link>
		<dc:creator>Wibble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Worse is easier&lt;/strong&gt;

The ever brilliant Jason Scott has a ather long rant up on his site about collaborative writing, and the effect it has on quality of content. This is something I&#039;ve come up against so many times on the KDE docs....
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<p>The ever brilliant Jason Scott has a ather long rant up on his site about collaborative writing, and the effect it has on quality of content. This is something I&#8217;ve come up against so many times on the KDE docs&#8230;.</p>
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