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	<title>Comments on: The Character Assassination of Jason Scott by the Coward Ed Cunningham</title>
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		<title>By: zota</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1331/comment-page-1#comment-5044</link>
		<dc:creator>zota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 23:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just noticed your responses here.

I didn&#039;t say the score was officially reclassified in 2003. I quoted head referee Robert Mruczek publicly announcing that the score would be reclassified and declaring the matter closed. Obviously you can interpret that however you&#039;d like.  But if you&#039;re suggesting that this public announcement should be ignored because it isn&#039;t an &quot;official&quot; public announcement, then I must respectfully differ with you, sir, on your painfully limited notions of historiography. Harumph!

When I contacted Robert Mruczek about the timeline (I do have a threshold to maintain) he didn&#039;t really critique the way I presented his quote from 2003. But if you have a better way to describe the divergent scores than anyone else I&#039;ve spoken with, I&#039;d most certainly love to hear it.

I corrected the incorrect article a vs the -- thanks for the proofreading.  As for &lt;b&gt;me&lt;/b&gt; twisting things around...  please.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just noticed your responses here.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say the score was officially reclassified in 2003. I quoted head referee Robert Mruczek publicly announcing that the score would be reclassified and declaring the matter closed. Obviously you can interpret that however you&#8217;d like.  But if you&#8217;re suggesting that this public announcement should be ignored because it isn&#8217;t an &#8220;official&#8221; public announcement, then I must respectfully differ with you, sir, on your painfully limited notions of historiography. Harumph!</p>
<p>When I contacted Robert Mruczek about the timeline (I do have a threshold to maintain) he didn&#8217;t really critique the way I presented his quote from 2003. But if you have a better way to describe the divergent scores than anyone else I&#8217;ve spoken with, I&#8217;d most certainly love to hear it.</p>
<p>I corrected the incorrect article a vs the &#8212; thanks for the proofreading.  As for <b>me</b> twisting things around&#8230;  please.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1331/comment-page-1#comment-5043</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also Zota, I noticed that you quoted this on your timeline:

&quot;On the FunSpot thread discussing the reclassification of Steve Wiebeâ€™s score, user Rick calls Billy M the â€œcurrent record holder.â€&quot;

Actually, Rick calles Billy &quot;a current record holder&quot;. The context indicates that Rick thinks Billy shouldn&#039;t be involved in the decision making since he also has a score on that title, which at the time, was actually 3rd place.

You are twisting some things around my friend.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also Zota, I noticed that you quoted this on your timeline:</p>
<p>&#8220;On the FunSpot thread discussing the reclassification of Steve Wiebeâ€™s score, user Rick calls Billy M the â€œcurrent record holder.â€&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, Rick calles Billy &#8220;a current record holder&#8221;. The context indicates that Rick thinks Billy shouldn&#8217;t be involved in the decision making since he also has a score on that title, which at the time, was actually 3rd place.</p>
<p>You are twisting some things around my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1331/comment-page-1#comment-5042</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zota, the DK score was NOT reclassified in 2003. Robert announced that it would be reclassified at the Funspot forums which are not the official TG forums or website. It was never announced officially at TG, and it was never moved to a separate DDK category. The decision was not final, and it was never executed. The Junior score was reclassified however. Steve&#039;s 947k was the top score in the DK category on the official TG website for the period that Walter described in his KoK rebuttal. Again, your source is from the Funspot forums. That is not where official TG announcements are made.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zota, the DK score was NOT reclassified in 2003. Robert announced that it would be reclassified at the Funspot forums which are not the official TG forums or website. It was never announced officially at TG, and it was never moved to a separate DDK category. The decision was not final, and it was never executed. The Junior score was reclassified however. Steve&#8217;s 947k was the top score in the DK category on the official TG website for the period that Walter described in his KoK rebuttal. Again, your source is from the Funspot forums. That is not where official TG announcements are made.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 04:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! to hear that upon writing on my weblog, should anyone say anything to me that I wish to comment on, I may never bring my thoughts about them within human ears or eyes again!

I wish I&#039;d known of this guideline sooner.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! to hear that upon writing on my weblog, should anyone say anything to me that I wish to comment on, I may never bring my thoughts about them within human ears or eyes again!</p>
<p>I wish I&#8217;d known of this guideline sooner.</p>
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		<title>By: zota</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1331/comment-page-1#comment-5039</link>
		<dc:creator>zota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than argue on comment threads, I made a timeline.

Lemme know if you have additions or corrections.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than argue on comment threads, I made a timeline.</p>
<p>Lemme know if you have additions or corrections.</p>
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		<title>By: zota</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1331/comment-page-1#comment-5038</link>
		<dc:creator>zota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The score was &lt;a href=&quot;http://superbunker.com/resources/dkt/#2003-october-29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reclassified on October 29 2003&lt;/a&gt;, but it remained in the database.

Here was the score situation &lt;a href=&quot;http://superbunker.com/resources/dkt/#2005-june-3-5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;when FunSpot started&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The score was <a href="http://superbunker.com/resources/dkt/#2003-october-29" rel="nofollow">reclassified on October 29 2003</a>, but it remained in the database.</p>
<p>Here was the score situation <a href="http://superbunker.com/resources/dkt/#2005-june-3-5" rel="nofollow">when FunSpot started</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used the archive.org wayback machine to see what the record listing was at TG for Donkey Kong in the past. The earliest page they had saved was from 3/25/2005 which was a couple of months before Steve went to Funspot. This is within the disputed time period. Lo and behold, Steve is listed at the top above Billy just as TG officials indicated. Check it out yourselves.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used the archive.org wayback machine to see what the record listing was at TG for Donkey Kong in the past. The earliest page they had saved was from 3/25/2005 which was a couple of months before Steve went to Funspot. This is within the disputed time period. Lo and behold, Steve is listed at the top above Billy just as TG officials indicated. Check it out yourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: zota</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1331/comment-page-1#comment-5036</link>
		<dc:creator>zota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason goes into eloquent depth about his personal objections to the film, involving issues of scope and framing and respect. But hopefully reasonable people are able to respectfully disagree about things like the range of a particular documentary or role of nostalgia in writing history.

Most of the specific falsehoods Jason  &lt;a href=&quot;http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/000574.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lists&lt;/a&gt; are subjective (exactly when did Billy Mitchell start &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.twingalaxies.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10695&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;snubbing&lt;/a&gt; Steve Wiebe over his involvement with Mr Awesome? How did Nicole Wiebe feel about the men she told to stay out of her house?)

But one of Jason&#039;s assertions is based on clear objective criteria. He states it forcefully, without ambiguity, as a fact. And if it were true, it would undercut the central premise of the film. But even a quick look reveals that it&#039;s not anywhere near that clear.

As far as his statements of fact and falsehood, I think the best you could say is that Jason is strongly backing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.twingalaxies.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=86&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one side&lt;/a&gt; of an ongoing argument.  Which is fine. If that&#039;s what he wants to do, then he should go right ahead.  But it seems awfully hypocritical to stand up for truth and honesty by using one-sided distortions to attack something as a one-sided distortion.

Big picture -- hypocritical infighting is what made the internets great, so I just need to learn to let it go.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason goes into eloquent depth about his personal objections to the film, involving issues of scope and framing and respect. But hopefully reasonable people are able to respectfully disagree about things like the range of a particular documentary or role of nostalgia in writing history.</p>
<p>Most of the specific falsehoods Jason  <a href="http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/000574.html" rel="nofollow">lists</a> are subjective (exactly when did Billy Mitchell start <a href="http://www.twingalaxies.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10695" rel="nofollow">snubbing</a> Steve Wiebe over his involvement with Mr Awesome? How did Nicole Wiebe feel about the men she told to stay out of her house?)</p>
<p>But one of Jason&#8217;s assertions is based on clear objective criteria. He states it forcefully, without ambiguity, as a fact. And if it were true, it would undercut the central premise of the film. But even a quick look reveals that it&#8217;s not anywhere near that clear.</p>
<p>As far as his statements of fact and falsehood, I think the best you could say is that Jason is strongly backing <a href="http://www.twingalaxies.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=86" rel="nofollow">one side</a> of an ongoing argument.  Which is fine. If that&#8217;s what he wants to do, then he should go right ahead.  But it seems awfully hypocritical to stand up for truth and honesty by using one-sided distortions to attack something as a one-sided distortion.</p>
<p>Big picture &#8212; hypocritical infighting is what made the internets great, so I just need to learn to let it go.</p>
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		<title>By: Flack</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1331/comment-page-1#comment-5035</link>
		<dc:creator>Flack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a simple guy who understands simple things, so let me see if I understand the big picture here.

Jason says there are dozens and dozens of falsehoods contained within The King of Kong.

Zota says that one of those dozens and dozens of falsehoods may or may not be a falsehood, depending on who you ask, due to poor documentation of the event four years ago.

Is that pretty much it? That one of the dozens and dozens of falsehoods contained within the film is in dispute?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a simple guy who understands simple things, so let me see if I understand the big picture here.</p>
<p>Jason says there are dozens and dozens of falsehoods contained within The King of Kong.</p>
<p>Zota says that one of those dozens and dozens of falsehoods may or may not be a falsehood, depending on who you ask, due to poor documentation of the event four years ago.</p>
<p>Is that pretty much it? That one of the dozens and dozens of falsehoods contained within the film is in dispute?</p>
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		<title>By: zota</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1331/comment-page-1#comment-5034</link>
		<dc:creator>zota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Webie&#039;s July 17 score was questioned the day after it was announced. Robert Mruczek announced the reclassification on October 29, 2003. This page has an archived copy of a Funspot thread &lt;a href=&quot;http://spyhunter007.com/steve_wiebe_donkey_kong_timeline.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;announcing the record and the reclassification&lt;/a&gt;

And here&#039;s Walter Day saying that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.twingalaxies.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10930&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the score wasn&#039;t actually reclassified&lt;/a&gt;

I feel like I&#039;ve been able to piece together a sketchy idea of what happened, but this stuff is harshly disputed, poorly documented, and thoroughly spun. A lot of it depends on who you are and which way you look at it.

Other people are certain about all the facts and they know exactly who&#039;s lying and who&#039;s telling the truth. If you want to know what definitely happened, just ask one -- and only one -- of them.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Webie&#8217;s July 17 score was questioned the day after it was announced. Robert Mruczek announced the reclassification on October 29, 2003. This page has an archived copy of a Funspot thread <a href="http://spyhunter007.com/steve_wiebe_donkey_kong_timeline.htm" rel="nofollow">announcing the record and the reclassification</a></p>
<p>And here&#8217;s Walter Day saying that <a href="http://www.twingalaxies.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10930" rel="nofollow">the score wasn&#8217;t actually reclassified</a></p>
<p>I feel like I&#8217;ve been able to piece together a sketchy idea of what happened, but this stuff is harshly disputed, poorly documented, and thoroughly spun. A lot of it depends on who you are and which way you look at it.</p>
<p>Other people are certain about all the facts and they know exactly who&#8217;s lying and who&#8217;s telling the truth. If you want to know what definitely happened, just ask one &#8212; and only one &#8212; of them.</p>
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