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	<title>Comments on: Electric Slide Lawsuit: Jason Schultz Responds</title>
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		<title>By: Jason Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there, Ric.

Nobody doubts you filed papers. I simply question whether you really understood what you did when you licensed the work creative commons.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there, Ric.</p>
<p>Nobody doubts you filed papers. I simply question whether you really understood what you did when you licensed the work creative commons.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric Silver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I DO OWN The Electric Slide -
I have filed with the Library of Congress back on Feb 28th 2006 and am STILL waiting for a decision from them - but have received a letter stating that since I have filed my paperwork - I can file suit on an infringement basis -
I have all the legal documentation to PROVE that I created and copyright protected my dance in 1976 - and am presently being shown on National TV Shows with credit being given for my work -
You might want to do a little more research -

Ric
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I DO OWN The Electric Slide -<br />
I have filed with the Library of Congress back on Feb 28th 2006 and am STILL waiting for a decision from them &#8211; but have received a letter stating that since I have filed my paperwork &#8211; I can file suit on an infringement basis -<br />
I have all the legal documentation to PROVE that I created and copyright protected my dance in 1976 &#8211; and am presently being shown on National TV Shows with credit being given for my work -<br />
You might want to do a little more research -</p>
<p>Ric</p>
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		<title>By: michael taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>typo error...
&#039;..FIRST recorded in the winter of 1983.&#039; should read &#039;..FIRST recorded in the winter of 1982&#039;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>typo error&#8230;<br />
&#8216;..FIRST recorded in the winter of 1983.&#8217; should read &#8216;..FIRST recorded in the winter of 1982&#8242;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

During any part of the proceedings did anyone do ANY basic checks on the dance itself. By this I am referring to Ric Silver&#039;s INSISTANCE that the dance was &#039;invented&#039;[Ric Silver&#039;s original word] to the music of &#039;Electric Boogie&#039; by Marcia Griffiths  AND this was done in the year 1976.
Simply, if one have done a very basic check they would have found that the song was FIRST recorded in the winter of 1983. And if they had delved a little deeper they would have also thrown a VERY large cloud on Mr. Silver&#039;s insistance that Bob Marley was also on the recording. There are many other anomalies and contradictions within Rick Silver&#039;s version of &#039;event&#039;s that for the most Junior of Schoolchildren to say...&#039;Hang on.. how can this guy says he choreographed a dance some 13 years or 6 years (if he managed to get hold of a UK/Jamaican copy) prior to the release of the music..... &#039;.
The answer is quite simple... he didn&#039;t and thats if he EVER Choreographed the dance in the first place. If he lied about the music...

Did ANYONE read the discussion on Wikipedia site (The Electric Slide) and IF they did did they notice the mega number of times Ric Silver altered his story to suit.

Going off the result of the findings - obviously not.. and THAT sickens me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>During any part of the proceedings did anyone do ANY basic checks on the dance itself. By this I am referring to Ric Silver&#8217;s INSISTANCE that the dance was &#8216;invented&#8217;[Ric Silver's original word] to the music of &#8216;Electric Boogie&#8217; by Marcia Griffiths  AND this was done in the year 1976.<br />
Simply, if one have done a very basic check they would have found that the song was FIRST recorded in the winter of 1983. And if they had delved a little deeper they would have also thrown a VERY large cloud on Mr. Silver&#8217;s insistance that Bob Marley was also on the recording. There are many other anomalies and contradictions within Rick Silver&#8217;s version of &#8216;event&#8217;s that for the most Junior of Schoolchildren to say&#8230;&#8217;Hang on.. how can this guy says he choreographed a dance some 13 years or 6 years (if he managed to get hold of a UK/Jamaican copy) prior to the release of the music&#8230;.. &#8216;.<br />
The answer is quite simple&#8230; he didn&#8217;t and thats if he EVER Choreographed the dance in the first place. If he lied about the music&#8230;</p>
<p>Did ANYONE read the discussion on Wikipedia site (The Electric Slide) and IF they did did they notice the mega number of times Ric Silver altered his story to suit.</p>
<p>Going off the result of the findings &#8211; obviously not.. and THAT sickens me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 21:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I continue to disagree (and I assume you mean you&#039;re siding with Jason Schultz, not Jason Scott) because of the fact that this imbues the guy with the sense he owns a tiny part of the dance; just look at his comments in the previous weblog entry.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I continue to disagree (and I assume you mean you&#8217;re siding with Jason Schultz, not Jason Scott) because of the fact that this imbues the guy with the sense he owns a tiny part of the dance; just look at his comments in the previous weblog entry.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 18:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m siding with Jason here: let the guy think what he wants to think.

I work in intellectual property (IP) myself, and have seen countless people make ignorant claims that they owned something that U.S. law clearly says they can&#039;t. With patents especially, 99% of the community consists of earnest and sane people, leaving us with 1% who are total crackpots.

There&#039;s just no point trying to disabuse everybody who has some zany theory of IP law. There are more of them than us (by far), and they&#039;re mostly harmless anyway, because no court takes them seriously.

For patents, the great majority are never litigated. The inventor buys a coffee mug with the first page of the patent printed on it and that&#039;s as far as it goes. So to strike down every invalid patent is a waste of time---ya just go after the ones that are litigated and creating a problem. Similarly, if Mr. Silver puts a CC license on the electric slide and the King James Bible, there&#039;s no point caring unless he asserts them in an aggressive way, and we&#039;ll have to take Mr. Schultz&#039;s judgment that he won&#039;t.

As for other copyright claims on dance moves, they&#039;re just as invalid as they were last month.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m siding with Jason here: let the guy think what he wants to think.</p>
<p>I work in intellectual property (IP) myself, and have seen countless people make ignorant claims that they owned something that U.S. law clearly says they can&#8217;t. With patents especially, 99% of the community consists of earnest and sane people, leaving us with 1% who are total crackpots.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s just no point trying to disabuse everybody who has some zany theory of IP law. There are more of them than us (by far), and they&#8217;re mostly harmless anyway, because no court takes them seriously.</p>
<p>For patents, the great majority are never litigated. The inventor buys a coffee mug with the first page of the patent printed on it and that&#8217;s as far as it goes. So to strike down every invalid patent is a waste of time&#8212;ya just go after the ones that are litigated and creating a problem. Similarly, if Mr. Silver puts a CC license on the electric slide and the King James Bible, there&#8217;s no point caring unless he asserts them in an aggressive way, and we&#8217;ll have to take Mr. Schultz&#8217;s judgment that he won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>As for other copyright claims on dance moves, they&#8217;re just as invalid as they were last month.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 17:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s where I don&#039;t get the EFF&#039;s willingness to agree to the current disposition this case.

At the top of every Creative Commons license is the following:

&quot;THE WORK (AS DEFINED BELOW) IS PROVIDED UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS CREATIVE COMMONS PUBLIC LICENSE (&quot;CCPL&quot; OR &quot;LICENSE&quot;). THE WORK IS PROTECTED BY COPYRIGHT AND/OR OTHER APPLICABLE LAW.&quot;

*IS* protected. Not &quot;may be&quot; protected. But &quot;is&quot;. As far as I know, something that is protected by copyright or other applicable law cannot, in fact, be in the public domain, as public domain works are not &quot;protected&quot;. If, as a statutory requirement of Creative Commons, a work must be &quot;protected&quot; by copyright or other applicable law, then it cannot be in the public domain.

By accepting that this work may hold such a license, the EFF also must accept, then, that the work cannot be in the public domain as it must be protected. I think the crux of this issue is that social dance steps cannot be protected, and as such, are in the public domain. If they are in fact in the public domain, they should not be able to have a CC-license attached.

If the EFF accepts that a work may be CC-licensed, then by the statutory requirements of the CC license, the EFF is also accepting that social dance steps are licensable, and as such, cannot be in the public domain, which, I agree, opens up a whole new can of worms.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s where I don&#8217;t get the EFF&#8217;s willingness to agree to the current disposition this case.</p>
<p>At the top of every Creative Commons license is the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;THE WORK (AS DEFINED BELOW) IS PROVIDED UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS CREATIVE COMMONS PUBLIC LICENSE (&#8221;CCPL&#8221; OR &#8220;LICENSE&#8221;). THE WORK IS PROTECTED BY COPYRIGHT AND/OR OTHER APPLICABLE LAW.&#8221;</p>
<p>*IS* protected. Not &#8220;may be&#8221; protected. But &#8220;is&#8221;. As far as I know, something that is protected by copyright or other applicable law cannot, in fact, be in the public domain, as public domain works are not &#8220;protected&#8221;. If, as a statutory requirement of Creative Commons, a work must be &#8220;protected&#8221; by copyright or other applicable law, then it cannot be in the public domain.</p>
<p>By accepting that this work may hold such a license, the EFF also must accept, then, that the work cannot be in the public domain as it must be protected. I think the crux of this issue is that social dance steps cannot be protected, and as such, are in the public domain. If they are in fact in the public domain, they should not be able to have a CC-license attached.</p>
<p>If the EFF accepts that a work may be CC-licensed, then by the statutory requirements of the CC license, the EFF is also accepting that social dance steps are licensable, and as such, cannot be in the public domain, which, I agree, opens up a whole new can of worms.</p>
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