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	<title>Comments on: Quag7&#8217;s State of the BBS, 2006/2007</title>
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		<title>By: mroblivious1bmf</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1030/comment-page-1#comment-4034</link>
		<dc:creator>mroblivious1bmf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(was doing a quick post from work)sorry for my flamish post, i just felt that
i flamed quag7 because he isnt really a bbser in my opinion, nor did he base his judgements using appropriate fact finding [in my opinion].

i think he just called a few boards. to the best of my knowledge [which i keep track of our bbs scene] he has not called many boards or been active at all.

i stand by what i said, but i should have cranked it down a knotch.

thanks,

jas
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(was doing a quick post from work)sorry for my flamish post, i just felt that<br />
i flamed quag7 because he isnt really a bbser in my opinion, nor did he base his judgements using appropriate fact finding [in my opinion].</p>
<p>i think he just called a few boards. to the best of my knowledge [which i keep track of our bbs scene] he has not called many boards or been active at all.</p>
<p>i stand by what i said, but i should have cranked it down a knotch.</p>
<p>thanks,</p>
<p>jas</p>
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		<title>By: mroblivious1bmf</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1030/comment-page-1#comment-4033</link>
		<dc:creator>mroblivious1bmf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know Quag7, he&#039;s an idiot. most of his suggestions for the future of bbsing are ALREADY implimented into newer bbs softwares.

and he is NOT authority on bbses.

this guy is a noob, he cant even navigate a simple menu system.

dont know what handful of bbses he called, but i get 10 or more new users a day, and all the msg nets i have are very active. even the fidonet subs!

i think this guy was on boards that didnt have fidonet setup [but had the msg subs made by default].

he should have asked for help before typing up this TLDR masterpiece and making himself look like a moron.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know Quag7, he&#8217;s an idiot. most of his suggestions for the future of bbsing are ALREADY implimented into newer bbs softwares.</p>
<p>and he is NOT authority on bbses.</p>
<p>this guy is a noob, he cant even navigate a simple menu system.</p>
<p>dont know what handful of bbses he called, but i get 10 or more new users a day, and all the msg nets i have are very active. even the fidonet subs!</p>
<p>i think this guy was on boards that didnt have fidonet setup [but had the msg subs made by default].</p>
<p>he should have asked for help before typing up this TLDR masterpiece and making himself look like a moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Shii</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1030/comment-page-1#comment-4032</link>
		<dc:creator>Shii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is also really strong moderation so trolling is almost nonexistent.&quot;

Bullshit, the moderators do all the trolling themselves.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is also really strong moderation so trolling is almost nonexistent.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bullshit, the moderators do all the trolling themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: mobius</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1030/comment-page-1#comment-4031</link>
		<dc:creator>mobius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dunno, i think the scene has pretty much relocated to private bittorrent trackers.  the only thing that seems to be missing are the ansi artists and the cross-networked boards.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dunno, i think the scene has pretty much relocated to private bittorrent trackers.  the only thing that seems to be missing are the ansi artists and the cross-networked boards.</p>
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		<title>By: JAD</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1030/comment-page-1#comment-4030</link>
		<dc:creator>JAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;most of the ones I&#039;ve seen look a lot like those fake city fronts in old west amusement parks&quot;

That is an awesome analogy and fits perfectly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;most of the ones I&#8217;ve seen look a lot like those fake city fronts in old west amusement parks&#8221;</p>
<p>That is an awesome analogy and fits perfectly.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Grote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Grote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do I miss the most? QWK mail. Laugh all you want, but it was the best way of handling conversations online with people. Today&#039;s forums tend to be disjointed and don&#039;t allow you to control the information.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do I miss the most? QWK mail. Laugh all you want, but it was the best way of handling conversations online with people. Today&#8217;s forums tend to be disjointed and don&#8217;t allow you to control the information.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob "Flack" O'Hara</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1030/comment-page-1#comment-4028</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob "Flack" O'Hara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the end of my book Commodork (which was about BBSes), I stated that the BBS was dead. Not a week goes by that I don&#039;t get an e-mail from someone stating, &quot;OMGWTF have you never heard of telnet BBSes?!?@@?&quot;

While I had heard of telnet BBSes, and as much of a huge fan of BBSes I was back in the day, I just can&#039;t see the point in them today. I WANT to see the point, and I am currently &quot;calling&quot; a few on a regular basis, but like the author above I&#039;m still struggling to find a reason to keep doing so, other than for nostalgia.

From a TECHNICAL stand point there&#039;s nothing BBSes have to offer that the Internet doesn&#039;t do better. In my world, BBSes revolved around five things: messages, files, online games, text file collections, and real time chatting. I don&#039;t think it can be argued that any of these things work better on BBSes (again, from a technical perspective) than they do on el webbo.

It has been said that BBSes were better because the users were more technically adept, and at least throughout the 80&#039;s, this was largely the case. Sure there were annoying kids, but there weren&#039;t 10 million of them. The logic is, it took a certain amount of intelligence, knowledge, dedication, and let&#039;s face it, money, to get online back then. So obviously that&#039;s a different demographic than who&#039;s online today. The only argument I see for bringing back BBSes is the same; selectivity through obscurity, or something like that. In other words, MySpace kids are never going to be into telnetting into boards and vomiting HTML everywhere. Then again, ten years ago, I never thought I&#039;d see them here (online) either. So who knows. I think exclusitivity would be more easily done via an invitation only forum than putting together some archiac system that&#039;s pigeon-holing people into 20 year old menu systems.

God bless the guys that are keeping boards online, but I tell ya, most of the ones I&#039;ve seen look a lot like those fake city fronts in old west amusement parks. Yeah, it looks like a BBS, but without any individuality or local flavor, what exactly have you got?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the end of my book Commodork (which was about BBSes), I stated that the BBS was dead. Not a week goes by that I don&#8217;t get an e-mail from someone stating, &#8220;OMGWTF have you never heard of telnet BBSes?!?@@?&#8221;</p>
<p>While I had heard of telnet BBSes, and as much of a huge fan of BBSes I was back in the day, I just can&#8217;t see the point in them today. I WANT to see the point, and I am currently &#8220;calling&#8221; a few on a regular basis, but like the author above I&#8217;m still struggling to find a reason to keep doing so, other than for nostalgia.</p>
<p>From a TECHNICAL stand point there&#8217;s nothing BBSes have to offer that the Internet doesn&#8217;t do better. In my world, BBSes revolved around five things: messages, files, online games, text file collections, and real time chatting. I don&#8217;t think it can be argued that any of these things work better on BBSes (again, from a technical perspective) than they do on el webbo.</p>
<p>It has been said that BBSes were better because the users were more technically adept, and at least throughout the 80&#8217;s, this was largely the case. Sure there were annoying kids, but there weren&#8217;t 10 million of them. The logic is, it took a certain amount of intelligence, knowledge, dedication, and let&#8217;s face it, money, to get online back then. So obviously that&#8217;s a different demographic than who&#8217;s online today. The only argument I see for bringing back BBSes is the same; selectivity through obscurity, or something like that. In other words, MySpace kids are never going to be into telnetting into boards and vomiting HTML everywhere. Then again, ten years ago, I never thought I&#8217;d see them here (online) either. So who knows. I think exclusitivity would be more easily done via an invitation only forum than putting together some archiac system that&#8217;s pigeon-holing people into 20 year old menu systems.</p>
<p>God bless the guys that are keeping boards online, but I tell ya, most of the ones I&#8217;ve seen look a lot like those fake city fronts in old west amusement parks. Yeah, it looks like a BBS, but without any individuality or local flavor, what exactly have you got?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Rudloff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Rudloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most anyone involved in that time frame will tell you that something is missing now. It very well could be the spirit of the age, but if in fact, there&#039;s something fundamentally missing that we could all recreate.. man.. it&#039;d be the next &quot;new&quot; (old) thing.

Excellent post.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most anyone involved in that time frame will tell you that something is missing now. It very well could be the spirit of the age, but if in fact, there&#8217;s something fundamentally missing that we could all recreate.. man.. it&#8217;d be the next &#8220;new&#8221; (old) thing.</p>
<p>Excellent post.</p>
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		<title>By: JAD</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1030/comment-page-1#comment-4026</link>
		<dc:creator>JAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>forums.somethingawful.com is an example of a large community that has a long history, its own culture, and lots of people meeting locals in their city for &quot;goon meets.&quot; There are people at the SA forums working on software projects together, music and writing projects, people visiting other cities asking forum members for places to stay. There is also really strong moderation so trolling is almost nonexistent.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://williamgibsonboard.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://williamgibsonboard.com&lt;/a&gt; is an example of a much smaller community. People here have often met one another to hang out in real life. It is a small but very tight community.

Like the above guy said, there are Livejournal groups that are very local centric with kids/people only from a certain area. Despite Livejournal having such a (deserved) bad rep, some of those groups actually have a little bit of the spirit of old BBSs.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>forums.somethingawful.com is an example of a large community that has a long history, its own culture, and lots of people meeting locals in their city for &#8220;goon meets.&#8221; There are people at the SA forums working on software projects together, music and writing projects, people visiting other cities asking forum members for places to stay. There is also really strong moderation so trolling is almost nonexistent.</p>
<p><a href="http://williamgibsonboard.com" rel="nofollow">http://williamgibsonboard.com</a> is an example of a much smaller community. People here have often met one another to hang out in real life. It is a small but very tight community.</p>
<p>Like the above guy said, there are Livejournal groups that are very local centric with kids/people only from a certain area. Despite Livejournal having such a (deserved) bad rep, some of those groups actually have a little bit of the spirit of old BBSs.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1030/comment-page-1#comment-4025</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a board that limits users to people within a certain geographical area? That wouldn&#039;t be hard to do with IP addresses.

The closest thing I&#039;ve seen to what you describe are livejournal groups focused on a specific city or part of a city. Only people who care about that area participate. I&#039;m not a fan of livejournal but those actually are communities and many are thriving.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a board that limits users to people within a certain geographical area? That wouldn&#8217;t be hard to do with IP addresses.</p>
<p>The closest thing I&#8217;ve seen to what you describe are livejournal groups focused on a specific city or part of a city. Only people who care about that area participate. I&#8217;m not a fan of livejournal but those actually are communities and many are thriving.</p>
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